i think the most salient way to shut up lightning is right ppl (who refuse to acknowledge that lightning’s initial points were lies to begin w/) is to point out that lightning’s rhetoric is literally just kiyoshi kogami’s rhetoric before he thought he doomed humanity.

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Things established by the ends of Vrains:

-Bohman likely already knew Ai’s fate, according to dialogue Ai says near the end.

-Lightning apparently did not talk about how he personally was the reason the other Ignis were doomed to Bohman, like at all.

- Bohman acts really weird about Ai, saying that Lightning pointed him out as the only Ignis with instinct, and during 71-73′s duel, refers to Arousal Hydradrive Monarch having a ‘heroic’ figure that ‘suits his current state’.

- In the episode where Lightning’s lies are revealed, Ai says that Lightning described himself as the only Ignis with instinct, and the camera immediately switches back to Bohman with a flat expression on that line. (As an aside, there’s a very similar cutaway regarding Windy, and the way Bohman talks about that in relation to Soulburner’s duel implies he personally didn’t know Windy had been brainwashed that entire time, either, what with the ‘Windy… no, you…’ phrasing.)

Conclusions we can draw from this combination of facts : 

1. Lightning likely told Bohman the Ignis were collectively doomed just prior to R3 in one of their talks, (Episodes 71-73) based on the frankly odd way Bohman acts towards Ai in dialogue during that entire duel, deliberately leaving out the fact that he was the primary cause of it, and very likely pointed out Ai as the worst one. The reason for Bohman deliberately antagonizing Ai with the Cyberse World comments, and referring to himself as ‘heroic’, then, has to deal with Ai according to Lightning being the most flawed, human Ignis, with the most blame for how things turned out. 

It’s either that, or the specifics of Ai having a future so long as at least one other Ignis was alive was granted to Bohman once he absorbed Lightning and he just… absorbed the collective memories, I guess. Aka, after the point where that would be possible in any capacity, since at that point, all of the Ignis are gone.

Note, that if you choose the latter interpretation, that would imply that all of Lightning’s collective failed future visions all would have been granted to Bohman upon absorbing Lightning, too? And he would probably also have known about the trick Lightning pulled with the simulation hologram in S3. This makes ‘I hope you don’t regret it’ and ‘Maybe you have a future I don’t’… a lot, conceptually, what with the really quiet way he says it and then immediately proceeds to yell ‘FAREWELL MY ULTIMATE RIVAL’ at the top of his fucking lungs. He thinks he is very cool.

2. The reason Ai is dead silent at Bohman revealing that the thing Ai has and Bohman doesn’t is instinct during 71′s cliffhanger is because Ai realized at that time Lightning literally lied about everything, and more importantly that Bohman also does not know about the fact Lightning said things like that to Ai.

I’d already had it up to here w/ a/o/3′s policies but at this point am thinking about making a google docs masterlist on here or twitter.

it would require me de-anonymous-izing a fic about jin (no genuinely bad shit, i literally just wrote a fic where he has mild psychosis symptoms like me and wants to murder lightning legitimately) but that’s a sacrifice i am willing to make

dig lightning up so jin kusanagi personally can kill him again